Wednesday, 28 May 2014

Some loser has tried to trademark the mathematical symbol Pi

[This story has 2 updates: when things got worse, and when Zazzle reinstated all pi-related designs.]

I received an interesting email from Zazzle overnight.

Zazzle are a print-on-demand website where you can upload your designs and sell T-shirts, mugs, phone cases, you name it, with your design on.

The email informed me that:
the mathematical symbol “pi” is a registered trademark, U.S. Registration No. 4473631.
and that:
we will be removing all products in your store with the mathematical symbol “pi” as it relates to the goods registered for this trademark.
I'm still pinching myself trying to confirm this is real and not some twisted dream.

Firstly I'm stunned anyone at Zazzle let this claim pass. You can't trademark a mathetmatical symbol. Pi in particular is a greek symbol (π) and has been around for millennia. You can't even trademark the use of pi in particular places, like clothing.

Secondly, I dug a bit deeper, because nonsense like this deserves it. And I ended up emailing Zazzle back and schooling them in how trademarks work, which is quite surprising because you'd expect them to know a lot more than me.

"U.S. Registration No. 4473631" can be looked up, thanks to the internet:
http://trademarks.justia.com/857/85/pi-85785006.html

A very, very quick look shows:

  • "Illustration: Drawing with word(s)/letter(s)/number(s) in Stylized form Typeset"

i.e. not the mathematical symbol itself, but a logo which incorporates the mathematical symbol pi.
This would be like McDonalds claiming the letter M as a trademark. The trademark is in the combination of style and symbol, not the symbol itself.

  • "The mark consists of the pi mathematical symbol followed by a period." [i.e. full stop]

My use of the generic mathematical symbol pi does not actually include a period.

The trademarks website above usually displays the trademark in question (e.g. McDonalds here), but for U.S. Registration No. 4473631, there is just an image of the letters "PI". A different trademark website here does show an image with the pi symbol with a period.

So not only did Zazzle simply take it on face value that the mathematical symbol pi has been trademarked (!!!). That's bad enough.

There is someone out there who has claimed copyright ownership of the symbol pi who is actively trying to shut down anyone who has used it.

I wonder how many other people have been on the receiving end of this bullshit?

While the email mentioned a company called "Pi Productions Corp.", the trademark listing above shows the owner to be a guy called Paul Ingrisano, whose LinkedIn shows he is "Owner at Pi apparels".

Searching for "Pi apparels" doesn't reveal very much, but searching for Paul Ingrisano does - he has this profile on Facebook, which has a pi-related cover image and shows he works at "Pi Production" who have this Facebook page here. Interestingly there is no website link and no links to any apparel, with or without the pi logo.

None of this changes the fraudulent and ridiculous nature of the trademark infringement claim, but it helps give me a picture of who and why and what is going on. Not only is the claim ridiculous, but having identified the claimant, I can't see any reason they would even have a case.

So along with directly requesting Zazzle to kindly, please, not remove my designs from their website, I would ask them some questions:

  • How many human beings looked at this claim? The claims process for infringements can't be fully automatic - it needs at least one human to verify good claims from bad ones.
  • Why did someone accept, at face value, that "the mathematical symbol “pi” is a registered trademark"?
  • Why didn't they actually look at the registered trademark, which would have confirmed that the trademark in question refers to a specific logo which uses the pi symbol, and not the pi symbol itself? (which is logical in itself)
  • Why are you helping frauds like Paul Ingrisano who claim to have registered a generic mathematical symbol?

They may or may not read this, but it helps me a little bit to write it down and dump it on the internet.
I'm certainly looking forward to their email response.

In case you're interested in my rather lovely pi (and pie) T-shirt designs, you can find them here on Redbubble.

[This story has 2 updates: when things got worse, and when Zazzle reinstated all pi-related designs.]





82 comments:

  1. I received the same email. Everything you said is 100% how I feel. Thank you... Now let's hope Zazzle listens.

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    1. you guys aren't alone. i got the same BS claim. they seem to be going for a lot of people. maybe enough for a class action suit against them. who knows? (my store is /iconografie)

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    2. I got it too. What can be done?

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  2. If they are pushing for removal on items which are not infringing on their trademark you can report them and even sue them.
    Their tm is only for pi. not pi or the math symbol.

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  3. same here, I got sick and tiered of all these morons that copyright stuff they should and the government receiving the fee without any concern. Zazzle is getting more and more like Cafepress, They have no problem to delete designs because they have billions of them. I stopped uploading a long time ago.

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  4. I got the same email for this design: http://www.zazzle.com/pi_plus_e_sticker_bumper_stickers-128465090008556369

    I let Zazzle know that even if this TM wasn't idiotic, I'm not violating it, as I too don't have a period behind it. Zazzle is looking like idiots for enforcing this dumbass' claims.

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  5. Zazzle and this guy are in the wrong - they should be sued for any loss of income through this false claim.

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  6. I just received the same email from Zazzle. I am going to copyright the number 9 this week. *laughter* Insanity!

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  7. Zazzle should be sued for wasting our time with the bullshit claim.

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  8. I also just got the email earlier today.

    The smart thing to do would be to organize a class-action lawsuit against this person. I already know a good copyright lawyer, as I've had my copyright infringed before.

    I'd be more than willing to join the lawsuit.

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    1. my store is /iconografer, and yeah. i'd join a lawsuit against this asshat

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    2. I would love to be on board that train

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  9. i got the same thing, while i don't use the design anymore anyway... it has no dot, doesn't look like anything like that. zazzle just takes everything at face value and removes things without questioning. i remember the MO incident when some german company took that one. and everyone with THER day cards had a hard time selling them at MOther's day.


    ---Mike Savad

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  10. Has anyone received a response from Zazzle? I sent an email and left a voicemail this morning, but haven't heard back yet.

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  11. OMG.... I'm on hold with zazzle as we speak and started searching and found your blog. Thanks for writing this. And what the hell????

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  12. This is ridiculous. I got the same email with them taking down my designs.

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  13. I just received this about an hour ago. More than 30 of my products removed. I understand that Zazzle is the middle man and doesn't want to get involved in a pissing match between feuding parties but where do we draw the line? How 'bout I trademark the "@" sign and sue twitter users... really? According to Zazzle... go ahead on!

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  14. OH MY GOD are you ready for this? They only sent me some 30 messages. (I have two images but in assorted colors and on lots of stuff. So I guess I had to get an email for every item it's on.)

    Explained first that it's insane to actually have a copyright on a math symbol. It's like copyrighting the plus sign. BUT... that IF there is actually someone who managed to copyright it, the thing clearly states WITH THE PLUS SIGN. Mine has none.

    I asked if they actually have humans decide this and no. They use google. Swell! So we all have some stupid computer algorithm to thank for this. Then... he "can't see my image." I emailed them back by replying to one of the many messages THEY SENT ME. Each with a "view image" link right there. But. They can't see their own image. Idiots!
    So... he's going to "expedite" my request to have someone look.

    Then I asked his name. He starts to spell it for me. S... H....
    then catches himself and said he was misspelling his own name.
    Good grief.
    SAHR was his name. Straight out of India.


    I left cafepress when they got incredibly stupid. Seems this one is no better.

    And yea... someone really needs to bring up legal action against anyone registering a universal math symbol as a copyright logo.
    But then I would not be surprised if the US patent office also uses computer algorithms and Indians who barely speak English too.

    agh.

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  15. oops... error in my last post. Meant to say PI with period not plus sign. I'm just a little miffed right now.

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  16. Thanks for this blog. My response to Zazzle:

    Seriously? Did anyone think about this? Your claim is that a letter in the Greek alphabet, used since at least the 8th century BC, is suddenly copyrighted? 10,000 years of usage across the world and today it is protected?

    This email would be frivolous even on April Fools Day.

    Perhaps I should patent the numbers 0 and 1 and then I could control all digital computation and communication.

    This email would be frivolous even on April Fools Day. Do you people value your credibility?

    Please take steps to block your interns from email access.

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  17. Yup, I got the email too and replied asked if I was missing something since I didn't have a period after my symbol - or if there was more to it than that. I also ask they respond on the forums. Well see.

    -Holiday

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  18. http://www.millslawfirm.com/classaction.html#4.

    Just to get the discussion rolling...

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  19. We might very well be able to find a lawyer who will take the costs of this case him/herself, because we'd be very likely to win.

    A lot of us have been damaged financially here, some more than others.

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  20. Anyone here still using cafe press? Care to go see if this is in their forums? I sort of slammed the door behind me when they got stupid.
    But I'd bet they are having the same issues.

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  21. Good god man, emails are hitting my inbox every few seconds! Why are they doing this product by product? They've just deleted products in the past and posted on the forums.

    -Holiday

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    1. THAT is a good question. The image is not allowed, simply delete all products with that image. Then end ONE email stating that was done

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  22. For those using twitter, feel free to RT https://twitter.com/reflexionsgifts/status/471774119726292993

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  23. My response to Zazzle Content Review:

    Dear Zazzle Content Review Team,



    I'm sure I'm not alone when I respond with a calm and respectful, "that's ridiculous." Pi is a mathematical symbol with a Greek derivation dating back to the mid 1700's. This "trademark" claim, as stupid as it is... only refers to a logo that incorporates the pi symbol... not the pi symbol itself. Does McDonalds own the trademark on the letter "m"? Does American Airlines own the trademark on the use of the letter "a"? Does Volkswagon claim trademark infridgment everytime the letters "v" or "w" are used in an original design? Of course not. So why would you take the word of an individual claiming he now owns the mathematical symbol "pi" and from this date forward the symbol can no longer be used by anyone else? Further, by removing hundreds, if not thousands or tens of thousands of products by the various users who incorporated the symbol "pi" into their original design, you have destroyed countless hours or work.



    Certainly a company as big and profitable as Zazzle has a legal department. This legal department certainly can invest 5 minutes as I did and search U.S. Registration No. 4473631 and learn the infringement claim of Paul Ingrisano is fraudulent. It's disappointing that Zazzle refuses to question fraudulent and ridiculous trademark claims. Instead Zazzle destroys the hard work of the very people who make Zazzle a profitable company. And more importantly, where does it stop? Example... if I go and claim a trademark on the Greek character Z (zeta) will you change your name? Will you change the Zazzle logo? Of course not. So why expect us to do the exact same thing relative to the Greek symbol Pi?



    And once you figure out what you did was wrong you will invite store owners to re-post their products, requiring hundreds of hours of additional work to fix your mistake.



    Sad.

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  24. I just got off the phone with the uspto.gov site about this.
    (Less than helpful.)

    But a little more digging found a better page describing the actual mark.
    http://www.trademarkia.com/pi-85785006.html

    NOTE.... the "image" of his mark shows only PI. However read the mark description. It CLEARLY states it has a period after it. But by posting the "logo" without it is probably why zazzle found it as a copyright logo.
    (Again one pair of eyes would have seen this.)

    I also called ABC57 news near me. Be interesting to see if they air the story. Not counting on it but we'll see.

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  25. I got the same notice.....I have this design in several different stores, and also, designed differently.

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  26. same here. Sent zazzle a response and will post again with their response to my email.

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  27. Got the same message on my cafepress store. This is ridiculous!!!

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  28. Got the same email. Found your blog when searching for answers. Thanks for posting!

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  29. I stopped loading onto zazzle. They are an IP clown circus.

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  30. Found two sites that both talk about the same story.
    Bottom line...
    "US judge rules that you can't copyright pi"

    found here
    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21597-us-judge-rules-that-you-cant-copyright-pi.html#.U4Z7IBZmhug

    and here.
    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110411/01202313839/can-you-copyright-pi-lawsuit-filed-over-copyright-pi-symphony.shtml

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    1. I found this story when doing research, but it's about the number pi, rather than the symbol. Not that it makes this trademark claim any less illegitimate!

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  31. There's a difference between a trademark and copyright.

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  32. I'm going to do a kickstarter to raise enough money to trademark the phrase "Pi Day". Anyone who kicks in some money will have my OK to use that phrase, all others will be hanged. Who's in?

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  33. Your right. But I found this page... the legal one. His has a period, AND is in "stylized" form. (Hardly, but if this is a logo, anyone being pulled would have to have the EXACT same form.)
    http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=85785006&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch

    I'm posting all this in a legal forum. We'll see what I get back.

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    1. What's hilarious is his "stylised" version of pi is the same pi symbol most of us have found on the internet. It's also, probably, the main reason that whatever monkeys in the Zazzle Content Management Team probably thought it was legit just from taking one single glance. If the design wasn't "with a period", I doubt the trademark would be able to stand legally, seeing as the internet would prove it being used by others long before his application.

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    2. That stylized version of pi is the default symbol for a specific font. I don't know which but that guy sure didn't create the font set.

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  34. I was shocked to see so many companies that had trademarked Pi. http://www.trademarkia.com/logos-in-pi-symbol--heraldry-flags-crowns--241711-2-page-1

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    1. There are a lot but they are very specific in design and the ones that are just the symbol are for specific products like soap and screws.

      -Holiday

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  35. So, just got an email back from Zazzle--
    Thank you for your email to Zazzle.

    We’re sorry to hear that your product was removed due to an infringement claim. Unfortunately, we were contacted by the legal representatives for Pi Production Corp. with regards to the trademark for the mathematical symbol of “Pi” on clothing items. Attached is a copy of the trademark certificate from the United States Patent and Trademark Office for your review., etc.

    The attached pdf clearly shows the pi symbol with a period and describes the mark the same way. So, what are we missing? If it doesn't look like the trademark, it doesn't matter, it's a takedown anyway?

    -Holiday

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    1. That's disturbing.
      I'd reply explaining that the only similarity is (I assume) the outline of the pi symbol, which is visible on Wikipedia/Wikimedia as a COMMONS image, therefore is not trademarkable. And then repeat that it is the combination of symbol and period which is the trademark!
      Also there is the counter-claim option described in the Zazzle Content Management email. I'm still assuming this is such a bone-headed move and there will be such an outcry Zazzle will step back, without people needing to counter-claim, but now I'm starting to think it won't happen.
      Get on the Zazzle forums too, the more people shout there the better:
      http://forum.zazzle.com/gallery/mathematical_pi_symbol_is_trademarked?m=969353

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    2. I did reply, explaining that I was even more confused. I also --for a second time-- ask that they post on the forums 'cause people are confused.

      I wrote to the pro email earlier too asking for clarification for everyone on the board. But no response yet.

      Yeah, one of my designs is a grunge pi so it dripping and stuff.

      Someone on the forums said it was only affecting clothing. Can anyone second that?

      -Holiday

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  36. I typed a response to them satisfying the responses in accord the dmca and now i get a mailer error that says content_review "at" zazzle fails permanently.... strange, no?

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  37. I have a gett even suggestion: File a trademark application for "Z." then send an infringement notice to zazzle.

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  38. Zazzle response to Pi designs being removed:

    Thank you for your email to Zazzle.

    We’re sorry to hear that your products were removed due to an infringement claim. Unfortunately, we were contacted by the legal representatives for Pi Production Corp. with regards to the trademark for the mathematical symbol of “Pi” on clothing items. Attached is a copy of the trademark certificate from the United States Patent and Trademark Office for your review.

    Once Zazzle received the notice, as a service provider we are required to remove the design from Zazzle’s marketplace to avoid the risk of any willful infringement on the mark.

    Again we apologize that your products were effected due to this infringement claim, if you wish to file a counter-notice with regards to this mark you can do so by replying to this email with the following information:

    • your electronic or physical signature
    • a description of the design that has been removed
    • your name, address, telephone number, and email address
    • a statement that you have a good faith belief that:
    • you have authorization from the copyright or other intellectual property owner... or
    • you otherwise have the right to post the design for use in commerce.
    • a statement that you will accept service of process from the person who provided notification of the alleged infringement.

    If a counter-notice is received, Zazzle may send a copy of the counter-notice to the intellectual property owner who sent the original notice. Unless the intellectual property owner commences suit against the Zazzle Seller, Zazzle will decide, in its sole discretion, whether or not it will allow the Seller to re-post the design.

    More information about Zazzle’s Copyright Policy can be located at: http://zazzle.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/424

    Best Regards,

    Timothy
    Content Management Team
    Zazzle Inc.

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    1. This is a preview of our world as ruled by robots.

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  40. Many of my products got deleted too. I hope something is done about this.

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  41. Is the same cracker jack that gave him the trademark the one who signed off on Jesus? Yes Jesus is trademarked now as well.

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  42. I've had the same email from Zazzle because I used the symbol Pi in one of my cartoons. This is ridiculous.

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  43. Honestly, I'm shocked and saddened Zazzle has not commented on this problem in the forums.

    -Holiday

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  44. I got this email too...which is even MORE ridiculous because my product doesn't have the mathematical symbol at all, but simply has the phrase "fung pi" which means "fart" in Mandarin Chinese! That has got to be the most absurd copyright infringement claim ever. Clearly they automatically removed every product with pi in it or the symbol without actually checking it...what about all the products that say PIE, PICK, PIN, PINE? all those going to be shut down too??

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    1. Wow really? Are you able to share a picture of the design? This goes from bad to worse! LOTS of people writing blogs and posting on Twitter now

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    2. Jez, the image that was in the email zazzle sent me doesn't even have the phrase, it's just the picture I purchased from the photographer who took it...which I modified so it is now mine. They didn't even include the text that is causing the "infringement" which simply said "fung pi is just one of my talents"

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    3. When Zazzle does a search, it uses the keywords or description to make a match. I doubt there is any human interaction with the deactivation.

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  45. Further...as it is one of the letters in various fraternities, are they going to get shut down and forced to use a different Greek letter, even though they existed before this guy registered pi??

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  46. Hi all, many sympathies, I've been through this with a different symbol, lost over 1000 products in 1 go, it actually halved my Zazzle income, so I know the sickening feeling, couldn't sleep or think about anything else for weeks. Very hard to think clearly for sure.

    Anyway, a few things to consider.
    I suggest keeping discussions in a private area, the pro-forums or better make a private Facebook group or something, where you can discuss your strategies.
    The reason I say that, is to consider your public reputation & also Zazzles, you can loose your account for bringing the company into disrepute and also be mindful of libel etc. I tell you, I wanted to burn the world at the time, but had to step back and think, it's not worth loosing my entire income over it.

    Anyway first fight is within your relationship with Zazzle don't give up on that counter notice until it is definitive for each particular design that they won't allow it.

    After that, we are looking at civil action along Tort of Intentional Interference with Prospective Economic Advantage lines or something where it can be proved Mr Pi has intentionally interfered in your economic relationship with Zazzle (or Negligent Interference, where Mr Pi has not fully understood the scope and application of his trademark rights). Of course that means funding a lawyer or finding someone willing. Again thats why I say make a private group so you guys can discuss this more.

    Oh when you're counting the $ cost in damages, it's not just the lost sales from the actual items, remember that some affiliates score your stores and deleted products can lower your score and even make you loose affiliations.

    So it's fight or just move on, I keep things pretty diverse now, with more stores under the assumption I'll get hit from time to time.

    Anyways just some ideas, its darn frustrating and it keeps happening, with all sorts of ridiculous things. Happy ratio of a circles circumference to its diameter day!

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  47. I finally got a reply from zazzle that offers some form of appeal.


    copy....

    Thank you for your email to Zazzle.

    You are correct in the description of the registered trademark as having a period. However, representatives of PI Productions Corp. is exercising their rights to protect their mark by not only restricting the use of their trademark, but also any similar marks that is likely to result in consumer confusion as part of the Lanham Act.

    Due to this takedown notice, Zazzle as an online service provider is required to comply as failure to respond may result in willful infringement for this trademark.

    Again we apologize that your product was effected due to this infringement claim, if you wish to file a counter-notice with regards to this mark you can do so by replying to this email with the following information:

    • your electronic or physical signature
    • a description of the design that has been removed
    • your name, address, telephone number, and email address
    • a statement that you have a good faith belief that:
    •you have authorization from the copyright or other intellectual property owner... or
    •you otherwise have the right to post the design for use in commerce.
    • a statement that you will accept service of process from the person who provided notification of the alleged infringement.

    If a counter-notice is received, Zazzle may send a copy of the counter-notice to the intellectual property owner who sent the original notice. Unless the intellectual property owner commences suit against the Zazzle Seller, Zazzle will decide, in its sole discretion, whether or not it will allow the Seller to re-post the design.

    More information about Zazzle’s Copyright Policy can be located at: http://zazzle.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/424

    Best Regards,
    Content Management Team,
    Zazzle Inc.




    Did you catch this part?
    You are correct in the description of the registered trademark as having a period. However, representatives of PI Productions Corp. is exercising their rights to protect their mark by not only restricting the use of their trademark, but also any similar marks that is likely to result in consumer confusion as part of the Lanham Act.


    SO even though the registered mark states right on there WITH the period, they can go after anyone with "similar" images?
    I guess anywhere a period shows up it could be attacked too?

    This is SO bogus.

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    1. I got a truncated version of the same email, without the appeal part.
      It's very here here and I have to go to sleep but I've posted the email and my reply on the Zazzle board (URL below). Needless to say, this is entirely bogus.

      http://forum.zazzle.com/gallery/mathematical_pi_symbol_is_trademarked?m=969607#969607

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  48. I would STRONGLY suggest to everyone effected by this to go ahead and do that. Send in all the information zazzle requests. (And I'm sure cafepress has the same form.)

    If they get flooded with these, they will have to act.
    They also state the PI holder will be sent copies. Lets flood that putz with the same.

    (BTW... I used google earth to look up his address. Not impressive by any means. I picture some pimple faced slob in the basement with nothing better to do than make other peoples lives miserable.)

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  49. This is similar to the 'Sweetpea Scandal'. They wanted all designs that had the words sweetpea on products gone whether they looked like the actually trademark or not. Whatever went on behind the scenes, no design came back nor have new design has shown up.

    This will probably end the same way.

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  50. I think we should string him up to the nearest tree and... oh wait...has that been copyrighted or trademarked too?

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  51. Zazzle finally responded in the forums by repeating the generic email we all received and locking the posts. I don't understand why they could that a minute to help us understand.

    Yes, they did say they were going to "while we evaluate the complaint", but it still leaves us dazed and confused.

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  52. I've been thinking about it and I think that the best way to get Zazzle to acknowledge that it has made a mistake and reverse course is to get this story into the press as others have mentioned.

    I have sent this story to several media outlets in the San Francisco area where Zazzle is headquartered as well as to Gawker. I encourage others to send in "tips" to any media outlet that will listen. There is usually an email address for tips in the contact section of media websites. Individual reporters' email addresses are also sometimes listed.

    Legally, we have no standing against Zazzle who can take down designs for any reason at any time. And while I support taking legal action against Mr. Ingrisano, that is likely to take a long time. (I still think we should pursue legal in conjunction with getting this story to the media.)

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  53. Just found another blog about this. Including the image that person had removed.

    How is this even remotely "similar" to this guys registered mark?????


    http://fluffmouse.wordpress.com/2014/05/29/how-not-to-use-a-trademark-zazzle-says-no-pi/#comment-307

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  54. Here's the cafePress version of one of mine that zazzle removed:

    http://www.cafepress.com/sciencegeekemp.956312772

    Anyone who would mistake that for his logo needs to be in an assisted living facility.

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  55. I finally got my email response to Zazzle to go through. Since Zazzle's request is in line with the DMCA, I responded in line with the DMCA. I recommend anyone that has had a product removed to include this line with their response to Zazzle.
    "If the copyright owner does not bring a lawsuit in district court within 14 days, the service provider is then required to restore the material to its location on its network. [512(g)(2)(C)]"
    If they're going to claim they have no responsibility to their customers to review trademark claims, they bear liability for removed items if they are not going to to reinstate them.

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  56. Got one too. Zazzle can suck it. This is sick. I am trademarking my balls immediately.

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  57. Thanks for the comments everyone. New post here:
    http://jezkemp.blogspot.com.au/2014/05/
    this-guy-just-stole-pi-and-zazzle.html


    I've tried to get all the issues together in one place, and show how it's relevant to the wider internet and not just us individual designers.
    Please share on Twitter and with news outlets, and keep pressuring Zazzle over how idiotic this situation is. Their sentence "while we evaluate the complaint" shows they are not all bone-headed and might just U-turn over this if pressure is strong enough.

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  58. Yesterday I was amazed by this nonsence with the pi copyright. Thanks for sharing this story and clarifying!

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  59. Hi Jez, I sent you a msg on facebook but it went to your Other folder.

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  60. hey, guess what..... just got notification that "After reviewing the take-down request more closely,Zazzle has decided to restore “Pi” products as of today" ----

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  61. I am afraid the Law office of Ronald Millet shall be called upon to cease and desist in its practice of sending any and all letters, emails, notes, notices, or notifications that include the following trademarks: the letter f (owned by Facebiook); the letter p (owned by Pinterest); the letter s (owned by Skype), the letter z (owned by Zazzle); the letter Q (owned by Quicken); the letter B (owned by the Boston Red Sox) ... need we continue?

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  62. The intent of the trademark holder, Ingrisano and his attorney was, and still is - to unfairly steal the profits made from all sales of any and all uses of the symbol pi, including those predating the issue of his trademark for pi followed by a period.That cannot be allowed to stand.

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  63. http://www.paulingrisano.com/

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